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Thursday, June 15, 2006

Controversy Thursday: Pick Me!

Here is a pet peeve of mine to ponder; I absolutely loathe hearing some white dude use affirmative action as the excuse for not getting into his grad school program of choice, or landing a lucrative job offer. First of all, sadly, our society is made up of a plethora of racist jerkoffs, whether or not that's intentional or understood. Without affirmative action in place, it's not entirely inconceivable (aside: every time I hear that word I think of Vizzini from The Princess Bride) that 95% of our workforce would be comprised of supremacist wasps. Fairness in education and fairness in the workplace are basic rights that I'm all for the government protecting.

Something to consider - If there are 1,000 people being accepted into a program; the two guys vying for the last slot are a white man and a black man; and the program accepts the black man for affirmative action purposes; I argue that instead of complaining about the horrors of a left-wing political regulation whisking his 'rightful spot' away, the white man should suck it the hell up and work a little harder to be top 10 instead of top 1,000 (which is really what put him in this precarious situation in the first place).

Cookie has spoken.

54 Comments:

  • At June 15, 2006 4:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Someone's been dancin with the brothas'

     
  • At June 15, 2006 4:54 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

  • At June 15, 2006 5:16 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    Well that doesn't actually promote equality...if they are both equally qualified, one shouldn't be chosen because of race. The fact is, no one is completely equally qualified as someone else and frankly it should just be whoever can do the damn job. I'm torn over affirmative action because I hate government interference in business practices. If it's your company, you should have the absolute right to hire whoever you want for whatever reason you want. If you're African American and feel that you can't get a job at X company because they are racist, why would you WANT to work there anyway? And you always have the option of starting your own company and hiring only other African Americans to put the smack down. As for education, well that's funded by the public, so I can see how I might be more willing to support affirmative action so long as it doesn't require that you always pick the minority, all things being equal. That's not fair either. And its not likely all things are equal anyway. You should pick the most deserving. Now if its a private school you and I don't pay taxes to support, again I think they have the right to pick and choose as they wish.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 5:18 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    However, I do agree if you didn't get something, don't bitch about it and blame affirmative action. That is just trite and pointless. Try harder next time so you're the best candidate and your race will not have to be a determining factor.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 5:25 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    Also, sorry to triple post...I think our generation (20 somethings) have grown up in a time where the idea of not hiring someone simply because they are African American or Hispanic is distasteful to far more of us than not. Whereas the generation that is currently running things around here may actually be quite the opposite. So hopefully as we start to take shit over, affirmative action will be unnecessary anyway. Maybe it has served its purpose in many ways but hopefully has an expiration date on being necessary.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 5:26 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    Kinda like an exclusive golf course that doesn't allow minorities? Is that cool too? Should African Americans just buy some land and start their own golf courses? Isn't that promoting segregation all over again?

     
  • At June 15, 2006 5:27 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    Oh Carrie baby, I would LOVE for that to be true. Maybe here in liberal DC that's the case, but try a small town in Mississippi...

     
  • At June 15, 2006 5:51 PM, Blogger Jessica said…

    I want Wallace Shawn to live in my pocket, so I can hear his exclamation at will.

    Moreover, while views on affirmative action are disparate, I agree - few things are more annoying than hearing "that guy" whine about the multitude of reasons he didn't get what he wanted academically/professionally.

    The school/firm liked someone else better. Accept, and work harder next time.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 5:59 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    I grew up in small town America...it still happens, no doubt and AA will never solve it. But times have changed, even there. I have no problem promoting fairness. I just think that there are ways other than AA to promote fairness. I do not support the government telling a private company they have to hire anyone in particular...gay, white, black, deaf. However, I'm completely okay with a company that isn't "fair" being lambasted for it, boycotted, etc. If you don't support a company that has unfair hiring practices, then frankly, that's a bigger impact than forcing them to change their practices through the law. There are tons of companies that have unfair hiring practices in regards to sexual orientation. Plenty that don't advertise or cater to gays and lesbians. And as a gay person, I'm still okay with that. I don't like it, but it's their choice. I won't buy their products/services and will encourage others to do the same. And will reward businesses that do with my money.

    I do however think AA did a lot in getting us to where we are...I just don't necessarily think it's an essential practice anymore. Like I said, I'm torn. I like to think people are good enough that we don't need it or smart enough not to reward people who are racist or bigoted.

    And yes, I'm perfectly okay with a golf course that is privately owned discriminating if they want on any basis. So long as they are not rewarded in any way in regards to tax breaks or given any government support whatsoever. And I support other minorities starting their own and keeping whites out if they choose. I just think what's yours is yours and you have the right to do with it what you see fit to do. (Yikes, I'm starting to sound way too much like a Republican for my own good). If you're an asshole racist, well don't expect me to buy your crap. I know that's idealistic, but I am very big on limited government interference in business, regardless of whether potential good comes from it. I don't necessarily think government regulation is the most efficient way to handle social problems in the private realm. Public - sure.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 6:09 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    Hmm...what about government intervention in something like re-f*ck-ulously high gas prices to protect consumers? Because that would be interfering in private business too.

    Just playing devil's advocate. Hmm...this is fun.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 6:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    AA sure sounds good, and makes the numbers look great in the schools. The problem comes when these people with lower test scores become your lawyer, doctor or co-worker. Once I got out in the real world and had to deal with people who clearly were not qualified to do what they were hired for, I changed my mind about AA.

    Also, comparing golf course admissions to med schools is an apples and oranges argument. I'd be anidiot if I cared who I plyaed golf with; I'd be wise to make sure my doc was the top!

     
  • At June 15, 2006 6:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Back to Controversy Week, are we? Or is this a milder form now that the controversy over what man is most deserving of Platinum Cookie's affection is resolved?

    Fairness is in the eye of the beholder. How can we be sure that the favor shown one equally qualified job candidate is consistent with past disfavor shown that individual? Is it fair to favor one individual even though s/he was not personally the victim of discrimination?

    Is fairness equality of treatment, of opportunity, or of result?

    Should we, as a society, pretend that we can make up for, say, underinvestment in inner-city schools by granting students from those schools preference in college admission?

    BTW the courage to raise this issue is one more reason Cookie is Platinum.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 7:06 PM, Blogger Brian said…

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
    -quite possibly my favorite movie quote of all time


    AA is a good thing in theory, but it's one of those things that gets dicey in practice. The trouble, to an extent, with the dowhatchalike approach to business/education, is that without conscious effort to the contrary, people tend to gravitate towards people who resemble themselves, whether they're intentionally doing it or not (Psych 101 in-group out-group stuff). So as long as old white males continue to run stuff, then diversity is likely to be tougher to come by, at least in the short term. So we legislate to make sure people are giving at least equal weight to all applicants.

    The flaw there is that equal isn't what happens. The standards change based on what you look like, at which point I would argue you're no longer helping the people you're trying to help. My concern (one of them, anyway) about AA has to do with the sense of entitlement it institutes in minority communities, the idea that they don't necessarily have to work hard, because a) America owes them something for what their ancestors have been through and/or b) AA will take care of them regardless.

    The biggest problem with race in this country at this point is we can't have a frank discussion about it, even to try to rsolve things. Too much pent-up pain and emotion and sensitivity. So what you have is short term policy solutions that don't address the deeper economic and cultural problems.

    And oh by the way, is it race anymore or is it economics? Should the white kids in Appalachia fall into the same category, disadvantage-wise, as the African-American kids in the projects?

     
  • At June 15, 2006 7:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Spoken like someone whose never lost anything to affirmative action.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 7:37 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    Hmm - maybe. But that's because I'm always top 10...no place for excuses.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 7:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    It makes snese a white woman would like Affirmative Action -- they were the ones who got handed all the benefits that black males were supposed to get. This further displaced blacks in our society, resulting in a widening gap between rich and poor: Powerful dual-income white families and blacks that could never get a leg up.
    Blame the "patriarchy" all you want -- but they built the country and tried to do something about unfairness. It's white women who stepped in and made demands, ruining it for blacks.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 8:44 PM, Blogger Phil said…

    To chime in on the gas issue - the government isn't going to bail out gas companies, their stockholders, or employees when prices go down, so who are they to regulate what they charge?

    Also, gas in Europe is about $7 a gallon.

    Also also, gas today is about the same as it was in the 80s, adjusting for inflation.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 8:52 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    Dam Cookie...No ya didn't..No ya didn't pull the race card...Notice how everybody is writing thesis's for comments...Sensitive subject...

    My 5 cents..and a fireball.
    AA is unfortunately necessary. I shutter to think what America would look like without it. I mean really its been like 50 years since civil rights and in the grand scheme of things Slavery/Segregation lasted over half-millenia. I just think its a little early to tell if people really get it.
    Plus you have a flawed education system especially within the inner city that basically is seperate/unequal system. I've unfortunately had the oppurtunity to visit most of the schools in the suburbs and all the schools in DC and it ain't close to being fair for supplies/resources or qualified teachers. Its really a tragedy. Alot of you acknowledge that fact in your posts so the question begs "How do you expect job oppurtunities to be fair for minorities when you systematically cripple from the start by not offering quality curriculum or resources??????"

    I mean lets face it..At the end of the day if your a minority your not gonna get the same benefit of doubt, that same courtesy thats extended to your counterparts. Its unfortunate but its true.

    Carrie B....I hope you don't consider being gay the same as being AA or Latino because its not. You can hide your sexual preference to get a job but you can never hide your physical ancestry...

     
  • At June 15, 2006 9:41 PM, Blogger Barbara said…

    I understand that affirmative action came into being much for the same reason that labor unions did -- to make up for the fact that there was injustice in the world. However, when it comes to employment, I still wish interviews could be color-blind. If I were black, I would always want to believe I got where I did because of my qualifications and not because of my skin color.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 10:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Just curious, but how many people posting here are black or a minority? how many people who go to your blogger happy hours? my point is society is still largely segregated even in places like DC, even when people aren't openly or even covertly biased. I grew up in the south in the 70s and know perfectly well I have received advantages because of my skin color. Even little things like not being followed like a potential thief in a department store can count a lot. If I lost a job to an African American I would figure what I have received over the years because of my skin color is a lot more than what I had lost to AA.

     
  • At June 15, 2006 11:23 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    I think alot of people are missing the boat on AA. The onus isn't on said minority group to raise the level of performance. The onus is the said majority to stop discriminating based on color.....

     
  • At June 16, 2006 12:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The only AA we gots in muh neck of the woods is fer folks who drink tew much shine likker.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 12:42 AM, Blogger Drunken Chud said…

    cookie, cookie, cookie. " argue that instead of complaining about the horrors of a left-wing political regulation whisking his 'rightful spot' away, the white man should suck it the hell up and work a little harder to be top 10 instead of top 1,000 (which is really what put him in this precarious situation in the first place)."

    ummm... well, since he worked hard enough to be in the top 1000 he deserves the job. being hired based solely on race is discrimination for the sole purpose you failed to hire the more qualified applicant based on his race. which, according to all my EO classes, is illegal. but, it's government sanctioned illegality.

    as far as golf courses and schools for blacks only... umm... there are. howard university comes to mind. i think there's dover university, maybe i can't remember, but there are several black exclusive universities and there are many black exclusive country clubs. so... how is this allowed? if a white man does it, it's considered racist, if a black man does it, well, he's earned it? fuck that shit. equality means equality. equal rules for all. none of this weighted rules shit.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 12:55 AM, Blogger Drunken Chud said…

    and to 0-faces comment on schools crippling minorities from the start:

    i live 2 miles from the border of detroit. i was born in detroit. my parents, and my grandparents were all born in detroit, raised in detroit, grew up through detroit's public schooling system (great gramps was an irish immigrant and had 8 kids) gramps was a postman from 1944-1986 (kept out of WWII by flat feet. so private schooling was never an option in the family. yet somehow, through "inner city" schooling my parents managed to make a decent wage and move out to the burbs. neither of my parents has a college education, in fact, i was the first in my family to go to college. now, that same school system of detroit is imploding. for the last 3+ decades detroit has been helmed by a black mayor, an all black school board and city council. so... who is keepin' who down in that scenario? nothing but corruption from top to bottom in the city. whitey doesn't have a hand in any of it. try again though.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 2:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ha, this is funny. one week you post a picture of a rebel flag and then the next week, turn around and post about AA. What is this? you're just a good ol' david allen coe lovin - AA supporting "platinum" canadian, aren't you?

     
  • At June 16, 2006 9:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Cookie,

    I have a very good friend who's extremely intelligent and well-read, and also rabidly right-wing. He didn't get into law school the last time he tried, and insists it's the fault of affirmative action for putting a black guy in there instead.

    He just took the LSAT again, and I'm pulling for him to get it. But if he doesn't, I'm going to gently explain to him that it might not be the other guy's fault.

    Personally, I think there're too many lawyers in the world as it is, so I'd be thankful for anyone who doesn't get in to law school and decides to pursue a different (and arguably more useful) career. :)

     
  • At June 16, 2006 10:50 AM, Blogger Heather B. said…

    Howard et. al aren't exclusively black, they're HISTORICALLY Black but not exclusive. And these Universities were formed because blacks weren't allowed in 'white' schools. As is the case with most historically black, golf courses, sororities etc.


    Also, why all the anonymous comments?

     
  • At June 16, 2006 10:52 AM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    I absolutely do not think the government has any right to interfere in gas prices...the sad thing is they already do by giving tax breaks to a few companies that collude to drive our prices up because they are in control of that market. But in reality, the prices would be higher without the government already being involved because you have a small group of companies that control the entire market. I'd rather the government stay out of it altogether, force ExxonMobil to pay their fair share in taxes and maybe some other brilliant person could stand a chance at making an oil-free energy source a reality for all of us. You want lower gas prices? Find an alternative resource to gasoline that will force gas companies to compete. There is zero competition in the gasoline business, which is why we're fucked.

    And while I never said being gay was the same as my race, the fact remains I don't hide my sexuality and you can bet there are plenty of places where if you are open with your sexuality, you are discriminated against in the workplace. And regardless of whether race and orientation are the same, discrimination is. My point was to say that I do not think a private company should be restricted in any way in who they choose to employ. If you trust the marketplace, you know that companies that choose to only hire straight, white men will not fare well in this day and age if they are perceived as bigoted and racist in their hiring practices. If every minority (both race and sexual orientation and gender) decided to boycott a company for such practices, that company would crash and burn. There aren't enough white men in the world to keep them in business. The point is the government isn't the appropriate tool to regulate social change in the private sector. It's absurd to think so and robs you and me of our hard earned salary to do a job the government is not entitled or equipped to do in the first place.

    In the end, AA at least made people scared of the idea of discrimination in the workplace to the point where it's not "kosher" to do it in most larger corporations. Maybe that's good enough. But it's a dinosaur of a social program that is better left in the history books.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 11:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    drunken chud, i don't know you, but you are an idiot.

    "as far as golf courses and schools for blacks only... umm... there are. howard university comes to mind. i think there's dover university, maybe i can't remember, but there are several black exclusive universities".

    These are historical black colleges and universities (HBCU's)...african americans were instrumental in starting them....That doesn't mean whites aren't allowed you moron. They just choose not to go. I have several white friends that chose to go to HBCUs and almost all of them got full scholarships...so yeah, you are an idiot.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 1:05 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    Drunken Chud:
    Dude you really are showing that your a product of the Detroit education system. Your exactly what i'm talking about.
    The problem was never with the Mayor of Detroit or a city managed by "Brotha's" and "Sistas". The problem with Detroit is that it like most major Urban centers where you had "White Flight" of people who didn't want to live next to minoriites and moved out to the suburbs where they have stayed up until now. When they went out so did the population and so did the tax base which is fundamental to supply a solid education system. Coupled with a dying industry "Automobiles" makes it certain that Detroit will be one of the most blightful cities in America for a long time to come.
    And again the onus isn't on said minority group to raise there level of performance, its a program to enforce equal employment oppurunities because said majority CAN"T and in MOST CASES won't hire MINORITIES.
    Also Drunken Thud--HSBC were started by minorities because they weren't allowed at other educational institutions. Alot of whites go to these schools for there education...

     
  • At June 16, 2006 2:42 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    First off o face, not that I don't agree with you, but you can't call someone an idiot and then proceed to use the word "your" incorrectly as well as misspell "oppurtunity" and also use the word "there" incorrectly.

    Just saying...

     
  • At June 16, 2006 2:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    carrie broadshoulders:

    you are also an idiot. this is a comment board on a blog, not a dissertation. no one is being graded for their spelling. pick something else to poke at

     
  • At June 16, 2006 3:05 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    I'm not saying anyone is being graded "anonymous." The point was to show that calling someone an idiot and discussing the merits of our educational system while incorrectly spelling pretty remedial words or using basic vocabulary in an incorrect manner, you probably aren't making a very strong argument. I'm certainly not grading anyone. However, using your and you're incorrectly is probably the most annoying grammatical mistake one can make. To top it off using there incorrectly basically makes your arguments on the educational system worthless.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 3:15 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    Nice try Carrie, but I didn't call him an "Idiot"...... You did...Besides I like Drunken Chud and if I was ever in Detox I would pop through have a few beers with him, but only on the condition that he wears the pirate outfit....lol

    But forgive my typos...I usually don't spell check in blog comment sections but feel free to proofread and correct mine anytime.....

     
  • At June 16, 2006 3:21 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    You are correct, you did not use the word idiot. However, I did not call him one either. Anonymous did.

    But you're right, I apologize. And my point wasn't that people misspell...it was that you did so in a post where you point out someone is a result of a poor educational system, yet you weren't exactly proving yourself as an intellectual giant.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 3:21 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    Dam you didn't like my position of "your" or "you're" so therefore my argument is weak and dumb..All righty then........I'm guessing some of my points anger you because thats such a poor cop out Ms Broadshoulders........Besides, I'm a disciple of the Wayne County educational system. Not really...

     
  • At June 16, 2006 3:28 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    No, I just think if you're going to criticize someone's thoughts by "low blowing" their educational background in the way you did, you could at least show that your educational background isn't lacking as well.

    I didn't cop out...I think I've clearly made my arguments on the issue. I don't really have anything to say about the Detroit educational system. I have never been there. But I at least know it's "there" and not "their."

     
  • At June 16, 2006 4:20 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    Jeesuz Khrist Carry Brawdshawlders. Whit me gonna hav two due two pleaze u. Mi gramer iz nawt indickativ of my intalectual abilliteez. I am so sawry phor yousing tha wong wards. I kant evun read my riting bekuz my vew leval iz on 70percent....I hope Cookee won't dalete my comets............

     
  • At June 16, 2006 4:22 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    :)

     
  • At June 16, 2006 4:24 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    If your wondering....My father is Eloi with a dash of Morlock.....


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlock

     
  • At June 16, 2006 4:39 PM, Blogger Drunken Chud said…

    well, O, the white flight REALLY happened around here after the 67 riots. and it made sense. people make white flight sound like whitey left to escape the black man. when in fact whitey was leaving cuz that's where the jobs were going. GM, Ford, they relocated several key plants in the late 50's and 60's. opened some more as well in the burbs, where land was cheaper there were no city taxes to contend with and they could have dedicated rail service. so white flight accompanied that. 1972 marked our first east/west freeway being opened which lead to the burbs. so, i ask you, at the wages and Mpg of a 1960's automobile, would it make more sense to live in the city proper and commute 20 miles each way without freeways? or would it make more sense to sell your then $10,000 home and go buy a bigger one with a yard for $2,000 only a mile from your new place of employ? sure white flight really picked up after the riots, but, i'd move too if i thought seeing national guardsman driving tanks down the main roads of my town could be something i'd see more than once in a lifetime.

    as for that crippling their tax base... wtf? the city i live in has a pop. of just over 100k. deruit recently fell to below 1mill. so they have 9 times the potential tax base and still can't manage? you said the corruption had nothing to do with it? horseshit. the suburbs have been trying to 3 decades to work with the city. we love the city, we want to see it back to its former self, unfortunately, none of the administrations from coleman young till now kwame kilpatrick will work with the burbs. the state has about had enough with detroit, the surrounding burbs as well, but alas we are powerless as detroiters unanimously re-elected the second most corrupt mayor in the city's history.

    so with 9 times the population, why is the tax base so low? and don't say "cuz they can't find jobs". the recent report put 90% of local business in detroit proper as black owned. so, blacks aren't hiring blacks? either way, the thing you keep saying, "The onus isn't on said minority group to raise the level of performance..."
    yes, yes it is. this is life, there's no free lunch. work hard, earn your breaks. i have never seen a person discriminate against a person of color in the hiring process. i have however been passed over for promotion thanks to affirmative action. and i was told flat out that's why i didn't get the positions. 3 times. they hadn't filled their quota which was shit. see, the company had been reported as discriminating by someone who had never applied nor ever worked there. he happened to be visiting a friend of his and saw there were not too many minorities working there. so they came under a lot of fire. here's the problem, at the time, i was working for the HR department sorting resume's and setting up interviews. I SAW EVERY SINGLE APPLICANT. I MET, EVERY SINGLE APPLICANT. once, MAYBE twice every four months we'd have any one of a number of minorities interview for positions. out of hundreds of applicants. in my two years there i'd say we hired 90% of the minorities we interviewed, which works out to about 8. not because of affirmative action, but because they were qualified, had the experience needed and interviewed better. then we get reported. we turn over the resume's show them we're not discriminating and try to move past it. but now they start looking into our promotion logs and show that we only have two minorities in upper/middle manager positions. again, not due to racism, but because they were here longest, we'd just a year earlier lost 40% of our workforce to a rival firm and we just didn't have the numbers to support willy nilly promoting people based on their skin color when people of longer tenure, and better reviews were available. basically they cracked down on us and people i hired in were passing me by, and not because they earned it. white, asian or other, that's wrong. i don't care who you are, when you think about it, it's wrong. so, i left the company (by choice) and now i deliver pizzas with no health insurance.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 5:33 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    Errrr--
    Kwame corruption will never be on par with George Bush and Congress dude...Having a party at the mayoral mansion isn't the same as giving uncompetitive contracts to Haliburton or starting a war to fatten daddies portfolio...Jeez dude....

    White Flight is exactly what it means and it wasn't about jobs either.......Nice try...Those jobs were put in the suburbs because workers and executves didn't want to live in the city after the (errr riots) assisination of Martin Luther King but also integration happened upon that time which you oddly left out of your dissertation....Plus it didn't help that all those corporate louts became human chainsaws and axed all those peoples jobs...Dude I've been to Flint...I've seen what a layoff or two can do to a city......

    Lmao plus don't even sit up here and try and convince people that the tax base for an AA Detroit is on par with Troy, Ann Arbor, Dearborn or Pontiac dude considering what you have to take in and whats spent...Seriousily though check out wikipedia White Flight, Property Taxes, Infrastructure.....So are you a Wolverine fan or Spartan....I'm a Buckeye so that might explain our rivalry...

     
  • At June 16, 2006 5:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    uh, broadshoulders, not only are you an idiot but this blog is not about you. go the fuck away, you are annoying as hell.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 6:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    This original post and comment thread demonstrate one of the most dangerous public health issues that citizens of the DC metro area face: Second-Hand Political opinions.

    Please, everybody who posted in this thread, don't vote, for the love of god and sake of humanity.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 7:57 PM, Blogger Drunken Chud said…

    spartan all the way. i love an underdog. went to college in ohio, but the only time i root for OSU is when they're playing UM. fuck UM.

    flint... flint was like a mining town. too far disconnected with anything else, one plant closure was like losing the mother lode in the old west. and kwame is giving uncontested contracts out. he employs more of his family than anything else. well, that's a stretch, but you get my point. and white flight in this area started due to the jobs moving. whether or not you agree is beside the point, it's a fact. you can see it in the way the specific suburbs built up. in livonia and westland you have the old parts of the city. originally nankin and whatever the hell else they called the city back then. the houses were all cookie cutter cheap as shit houses built by FoMoCo and GM to house their workers. well, subsidized by them. they're small, packed in (less than detroit proper) and brick. these all date back to the late 40's early 50's. when ford, GM, and chrysler built plants in the burbs to help the war effort. they switched over their lines to make tanks and planes and ammo. they built the housing along with the plants. more plants were opening thanks to increasing population due to industry being in the suburbs. can't really have growth without industry. then the '67 riots came along and yeah, a lot of people left. because they could. they could sell their detroit house and get a nicer BRAND spankin new house in the suburbs for 1/4 the price. which, by the way is the same thing happening in my city now. livonia, which i believe is the number one whitest city in america (pop. over 100k). we are experiencing another white flight. not cuz the black man is moving in, but because people bought for cheap, and their homes appreciated and now they can move from an 1,800 sq. ft. brick right built in 1970, into a 3,500 sq. ft. brick colonial with gourmet kitchen, cathedral ceilings walkin closets, walk in refrigerators, a pool and two cute bunnies in the yard all for the low low price of selling your home and taking out a mortgage for 50-80grand. people can call it white flight (it's all white people in this 98% white city) all they want, the fact of the matter is that it happens in every city, evrywhere. otherwise there would never have been urban sprawl, the roman empire would never have been so vast, new york wouldn't have the hamptons. people go where the current rage and their money allows them. all i know is i'm glad i'm licensed in real estate right now (though, in this market i'm delivering pizzas but, so what) because there's a vacuum that is going to need to be filled in the city. the burbs cost too much. a guy like me can't afford a home, i can't move any further west without a HELLA commute, so my only option, back into the city i go. or else move to taylor which... that's just white trash everywhere... ack.

     
  • At June 16, 2006 8:47 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

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  • At June 16, 2006 8:48 PM, Blogger Carrie Broadshoulders said…

    uh anonymous...grow a set and use a real name.

    as for me, if cookie wants me to shut up, she's welcome to ask and i'd kindly do so because it's HER blog. you're always welcome to not read the comments if they aren't to your liking. i think the point of the entire thread was to solicit opinions...so if you can't actually contribute one, maybe YOU should shut it. of course that's cookie's call, not mine. :)

    love ya, mean it.

     
  • At June 17, 2006 4:25 AM, Blogger Drunken Chud said…

    agrees with carrie. go fuck yourself anon. ha! you see what i did there? i made you appear as a homosexual, that's funny... to me...

    sorry carrie o-face and i enjoy our sparring matches. he's a hopeful sympathetic and i'm a jaded realist. it makes for colorful cookie comments. (anxious anchors always illiterate?)

     
  • At June 17, 2006 3:44 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    spartan all the way. i love an underdog. went to college in ohio, but the only time i root for OSU is when they're playing UM. fuck UM.
    ****************************************
    See your alright in my book....We might disagree on confedrate flags, AA, or other shit we can't control but we make no mistake about our true and passionate hate for Michigan....Fuck Michigan and I toast to you on that one. Beautiful words....

     
  • At June 17, 2006 4:42 PM, Blogger Drunken Chud said…

    o-face, it's like i always say to my friends (most of whom carry your opinions), i may not agree with what you're saying, but i'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

    toasts to fucking michigan. well, the college not the state, i'm not hung well enough to fuck the state.

     
  • At June 18, 2006 10:25 PM, Blogger PseudoIntellect said…

    Plethora is my word!

    PI is back! What'd I miss?

    P.S. Affirmative action sucks. Excuses suck too!

     
  • At June 19, 2006 6:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    And it is sadly NOT ironic that people who couldn't differentiate between your and you're missed the subsequent commenters' point about taking pot shots at other people's education.

     
  • At June 19, 2006 8:06 PM, Blogger O-FACE said…

    Dam I have lived to see everything...People are actually getting "THEIR" panties in a bunch over the positioning of "Your" and "You're" on a gawddam blog comment section....Who the hell knew.......

     
  • At June 20, 2006 2:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yep... still missing the point.

     

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