DC Cookie

Tuesday, November 08, 2005

Deep Waters

I learned something very profound about myself last night; so profound that I’m struggling with the words to explain it. And when I admit it, I suspect you’ll all be surprised. On the exterior, I wave the ‘I am strong’ flag and preach to my female-peers to demand equality, but on the interior, I don’t have the slightest idea how to ask for what I want. I’m not talking about flavours of ice cream here. I’m talking about big things, emotional things. I’m an ESFJ, the Caregiver, and the Healer. At the forefront of my reverie, I am constantly fixated on other people’s happiness. I’ve always felt most intimate with the people whose problems I can solve by wrapping them in my arms. I’m not sure I’ve ever thought twice about the reasonableness of it all because meeting other people’s needs makes me happy. To meet my own needs, I typically just turn inwards. I have never entertained the idea that someone else might be an equally willing participant.

So last night, when the special person I was spending some quality time with made a very simple gesture, which to him was probably no more extraordinary than changing his socks, I was barely able to speak. He simply said, “What do YOU like?” At first I giggled and didn’t answer. I didn’t want to have to answer, because the problem was, I didn’t know. All this time, all my experiences, and there I was, just a little Lolita, unable to express her desires. Unchartered, vulnerable waters.

I have some things to learn, and that scares me.

29 Comments:

  • At November 08, 2005 1:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    what do you like? In what respect?

     
  • At November 08, 2005 1:09 PM, Blogger roosh said…

    I'm sure your female readers will have much to say about this, but I wanted to warn you about pegging yourself with the myers brigg test. I've taken the test many times throughout the past couple years and have gotten at least three different types. Don't use the results as an attempt to explain your behavior or who you are, because it just ends up being a self-fulfilling prophecy when you want to believe that you perfectly fit a certain analysis. Humans are much more complicated than that.

     
  • At November 08, 2005 1:15 PM, Blogger Heather B. said…

    Take the time to find out what you like, it makes thing so much nicer.

     
  • At November 08, 2005 1:20 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    DCB - I agree with you to a point. You're right that nobody fits perfectly into a personality bucket. Who we are as human beings is indeed extremely complicated, and can only be measured by our range of experiences, not by a test. But for generalization purposes, I think it's safe to categorize. I do know myself pretty well and many of my traits match those described by the ESFJ type. I also display fragments of other types, but my tendencies are very much to be, as I called myself, the Caregiver and the Healer. I'm not using results to explain my behaviour, I'm using my behaviour to explain the results.

    Anon - I can't answer that yet.

     
  • At November 08, 2005 1:37 PM, Blogger Mamma Bear said…

    The fact that he asked (regardless of what he was referring too...pizza, movie, sex, relationship) means that he cares. What a dove! :o)

     
  • At November 08, 2005 2:38 PM, Blogger lordscarlet said…

    Where do you all meet people that this is such an unusual question? I really don't get most of the relationship-related posts here and their generalization that men are incapable of being genuine, good people. A simple question such as this seems rather inane and regular in the world I live in.

     
  • At November 08, 2005 2:48 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    I don't believe I've ever once indicated that men are incapable of love and sincerity.

    As for me, my last relationship was very one-sided. The guy was a taker that I got both used to and tired of. Since then, I have honestly been pleasantly surprised by the quality of the men I have dated. Hence, as a blogger who touches at least a few women out there, I like to help guide those women to find better men, because they are certainly out there.

     
  • At November 08, 2005 2:49 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    Oh - and I'm not sure it was so much the question that was unusual, but the fact that I realized I didn't have a response...

     
  • At November 08, 2005 3:19 PM, Blogger lordscarlet said…

    I of course in turn generalized your statements and others replies... But I do get a general feeling around here that men are just out for a hookup and the lack of emotion/caring that follows. There have been a few posts that include statemetns that give me that impression (I am of course not going to go through the small effort of finding these posts. :) ). The recent one about text messaging you to see that you got home safely is a case in point.

    Apparently Blogger doesn't have a way to view what posts you have made comments on... That would have made things a little easier.

     
  • At November 08, 2005 3:23 PM, Blogger Julia said…

    someone once said, and I think it was Sue (have you ever watched the Sunday Night S*x Show with Sue?) Speak your mind in "low, round tones" when you want to be heard. I've found this is a really great communication style, because when we get stressed and nervous, our voices sometimes get all high pitched and emotional sounding. But if we bring it down, it helps people hear the words, not the emotion. So, anyway...when you figure out what you want to say...

     
  • At November 08, 2005 3:24 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    HAHA - yeah blogger sucks. Trust me, the guy who texted me that message WAS just looking for a hookup. I have a pretty keen sense for these things...

     
  • At November 08, 2005 3:26 PM, Blogger A Unique Alias said…

    I'm going to go ahead and assume that the question in the post referred to something sexual in nature, because if you've never been asked "what do you want on your pizza," you must be wearing an abaya.

    That being the case, and specifically ref: Scarlet, not a lot of men or women ask that question. For most people, it's a matter of "go with what you know" until someone says "ouch."

     
  • At November 08, 2005 4:30 PM, Blogger mysterygirl! said…

    That's exciting! It will be good for you to get in touch with what it is you need instead of only focusing on what others need. I'm glad he asked you that question.

    (I had a boyfriend ask me to stop being so agreeable and to tell him what I wanted, and I realized that I hadn't really heard that before. And it's not that I think that most guys don't care-- it's just that maybe when I was young I was choosing the kind of guy who was content just to let me take care of him. And I don't mean this to be about sex.)

     
  • At November 08, 2005 4:46 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    Scarlet is my Mustang's name...

     
  • At November 08, 2005 5:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    It's always nice when a man asks "What do YOU like?". It means that he wants you to be satisfied and that he is listening. Both great indicators that you are probably with someone that cares about you. Congrats. Now, in regards to not knowing what you like. I suggest either getting to know yourself better or telling this special guy that you would like his help in exploring your boundaries. I am sure he will be willing to oblige. :-)

     
  • At November 08, 2005 5:32 PM, Blogger Phil said…

    On the other hand, you could spend loads of time arguing "what do YOU like?" "No, what do YOU like..?"

    Believe me, it gets old.

     
  • At November 08, 2005 5:33 PM, Blogger JordanBaker said…

    I get floored with that sort of question too. . .I've always been told it's something that happens to those of us who've been pegged as the "good kid" all our lives, because we've gotten so used to being agreeable/accomodating.

    In any case--good for him for asking, and have fun sorting out the answers.

     
  • At November 08, 2005 8:08 PM, Blogger playfulinnc said…

    I was having this very conversation (not the pizza/sex one) with a friend of mine, and she had some interesting things to say about it.

    Mostly, finding intimacy with takers has a lot to do with mistrust from past hurts (or very large psychological wounds). If you are the caretaker, you have control. You won't hurt yourself, right?

    This is a hard habit to break, but a very important one. You deserve to get as much as you give.

     
  • At November 08, 2005 8:18 PM, Blogger Namaste said…

    well, let me tell you what i like. i like that he asked. mmmm. and for the record, i liked him from the start! *WinK!!**

     
  • At November 08, 2005 9:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    There is no scientific basis for the Meyers-Briggs personality test. It's something people made up that's become trendy -- like those pop psych books of the early 1970s. Companies are now using this test to judge applicants (see Barbara Ehrenreich's new) book-- this is starting to trump educational level and ability. I would give this no credibility!

     
  • At November 08, 2005 9:12 PM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    I disagree. It should never be used as the basis for making a hiring decision, but it can be a very valuable management tool. People you work with will all have varying personality types, and for a manager to understand how to manage her staff who all have different styles, she will be far more successful than people who don't make any attempt at all to accomodate for differences.

     
  • At November 09, 2005 12:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Of course, people can easily fake out a personality test. People can't fake educational background -- at least not as easily. Any entrance examn contigent on personality is flawed. People always show the best face when they first meet you. You know, like in dating -- everyone is "wonderful" at first.
    If American women are applying thier dating standards to their management decisions (i.e. completely shallow and surface stuff matters most), no wonder the economy is hitting the skids.

     
  • At November 09, 2005 5:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'm not sure where all this fits in which psychological typology, but we all are constantly learning about ourselves and how we fit into the world. It changes year by year, as do we & the environment we live in.

    But again I can't help from thinking that this is something that was indeed long overdue, and not even knowing what 'it' is, that's always a bit sad to discover.

    We may not understand our needs completely, but certainly those whom we choose to spend time with and call friends should know what we like. This is not overly complex, but it speaks well of the bloke who finally asked you about it. Again, they should all come like that, (caring, concerned & involved somehow with your wants& needs), but it again goes to that low bar we often set for others. Here's to more pleasant and surprising discoveries.


    And, ordinarily this should not be unduly scary. Discovering that you love the mayhem of setting fires, that's scary. Ditto for a penchant for base jumping with bad equipment. This is the kind of stuff you need to know to get along better in life. Better you discover all this now than later when married with kids at 50. Then it becomes an unpleasant surprise, but making for decent literature though.

    Cheers & Good Luck, 'VJ'

     
  • At November 09, 2005 6:06 AM, Blogger tommy said…

    The cargiver personality is very powerful. As an obstetrician, I've seen many intelligent successful women end up in relationships where the male partner is selfish, controlling and often abusive (emotionally and physically). The female partner gains a sense of being needed and the relationship becomes amazingly symbiotic. I'm curious Cookie, How do you respond to men that are excessively giving? do you embrace or reject them?

    OBTW cool mustang:-) , I own a 2005 saleen mustang and love it

     
  • At November 09, 2005 9:48 AM, Blogger cs said…

    I was once rejected on a job application for grocery store bagger/stocker/whatever because my personality test "revealed" that I was unstable.

    Well, when I heard that, I jumped across the desk and punched that HR guy right in the nose, ran down and took a shit in the dairy aisle, and came back later in the night to torch the place. Unstable, my ass.

     
  • At November 09, 2005 10:05 AM, Blogger DC Cookie said…

    Tommy - I embrace it with pleasure. However, I really have a lot of trouble letting people do things for me without returning the favour. I never go on a date with a guy and let him pay for everything, unless it's my birthday or my wallet was stolen.

    Mass - and then you went to work for...the government? ;-)

     
  • At November 09, 2005 10:15 AM, Blogger Washington Cube said…

    I'm afraid the caregiving/nurturing is drilled into us from the time we are born. Once you are in that mode, it becomes hard to try and push your own interest/needs to the forefront. Men have their own version of this in trying to evolve beyond gender bound roles.

     
  • At November 09, 2005 12:23 PM, Blogger Crazy Girl City said…

    Tommy makes a good point. I fit the caregiver personality pretty well. This is good and bad because I will fully admit that when I find a guy that is excessively giving, I get freaked out and assume the worst. This is something I am trying to fix without being too trusting in the process.

     
  • At November 09, 2005 12:54 PM, Blogger That Girl said…

    I understand where you are coming from completely! I have a hard time answering that question myself! It is a little scary but at least you had the "lightbulb" moment and realize that you need to do some soul searching!

     

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